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Rupert Harold Marshall Joyes

Rupert Harold Marshall Joyes, son of Henry Marshall Joyes and Alice Bird, was born in Storrington in 1879. With his cousin Frank he attended a boarding school inWorthing [see New College on the Bygones Days page] Like his brother Arthur, and later the two younger half brothers, he was apprenticed in the drapery trade, and was working as an assistant at the large department store of Marshall and Snelgrove in Vere Street, London in the early 1900s. This business expanded into Oxford Street and the site is now known as Debenhams. When the 1911 census was taken he was living in Lewisham district with his cousin Grace and her husband Walter Carter and their two small children. He was 29 at that stage. Also in the household was Grace's young sister 20 year old Margaret [Madge] Joyes, fancifully named as Marguerite in the census.

He had become a traveller in fancy goods when he met Lizzie Harrison, a dressmaker in a central London firm sewing garments for ladies. Lizzie had been born in Sydenham in Kent, the daughter of a silversmith. At the time of their marriage at Marylebone in 1912, Rupert's address was 57 Castle Street East, but by the 1930s he was a manufacturer's agent with an address at 14 Hills Place [off Oxford Street]. They had two daughters. The elder, Enid Mary married Thomas Welch and had a daughter and a son. The other daughter, Sylvia Noreen, married David Hatrick and had a son and three daughters; but there were no children from her second marriage to Richard Dicks.

It is not known when Rupert and Lizzie moved from London, but in a 1935 directory for Buckinghamshire, their address was White Cottage, Chesham Bois. That was where Rupert died of heart disease, at age 59, three years later. His married daughter Sylvia Hatrick, from the same address, registered his death giving his occupation simply as "merchant". A probate list of 1938 gives his death as being on 6th June. His estate passed to his wife Lizzie on 21st July.


Oxford Street, London, c1875

William John Hale Joyes

Although William John Hale Joyes was born in Hastings, East Sussex he spent his formative years in Midhurst with his family. He was schooled there and was later employed at his father's Post Office as a telephone clerk.

In 1884 William married Lilian Newton in Islington. They probably met through their work as Lilian was working as a Telegraph clerk in 1881.

The Post Office was clearly in William's blood because after leaving his father's employ at Midhurst he was to spend the rest of his life with the GPO rising to Assistant Superintendent in 1901.

William and Lilian's three children Ethel, Archibald and Stanley were all born in London.

Lilian died in 1922 and William was to follow eight years later at No 86 The Limes Avenue, New Southgate on the 28 January 1930. He left effects valued at £654 to his son Archibald.


Bernard John Carlyon Joyes

Like his brothers, Bernard was trained as a draper. After an apprenticeship at Horsham he worked firstly for his half-brother Arthur, in Grays, Essex, then for George Hardwick & Sons High Street, Wandsworth and lastly at Arthur Flint's drapery at 2,4&6 High Street , Wealdstone. While staying at Southend, preparing for emigration to New Zealand in 1911, he received a letter from Arthur Flint offering to pay his train fare, if he would return temporarily, to assist during the first week of a sale. Arthur Flint wrote "I believe it will be the biggest Sale we have ever had so it will be good experience for you to apply beyond the seas".


Site of Arthur Flint's drapery store

High Street, Wealdstone, c1992

Elsie Joyes

Elsie Joyes was born at Storrington in 1877. She was nine when her mother, Alice [Bird] died, after the birth of her fourth child. A year later,when her father Henry Marshall Joyes remarried, she had a new mother, young Jane [Downer] After the birth of a little half sister, Una, the family moved to a larger business in Pulborough. By then Elsie had become a student at the Lyndale College Boarding High School for Girls, in Worthing. [for a description scroll down the right hand column of 'Bygone Days Page'] She was a pupil there at the time of her father's death. Skills she gained from needlework lessons at Lyndale enabled her to find employment, when the family struck hard times. She was one of twenty four dressmakers working in a business at 17 New Burlington Street, London, in 1901, about the time when she met her future husband William Neeld, a traveller. Their wedding in 1903 was celebrated with her relatives back in Fittleworth. Elsie's brother Arthur and her cousin Grace Joyes signed as witnesses. William Neeld's address was 40 Falkland Road, Hornsey, London.

The couple had a daughter Phyllis Elsie and a son, Reginald Norman, both born in London. [Phyllis married and had decendants]

Elsie died at home, 424 Lordship Lane, Dulwich, in 1948. By then she was 71. Her son, Reginald was the informant. His address was the same as that of his parents and it is thought that he remained a bachelor. Husband William's occupation was given as 'textile manufacturer's agent'.



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